Topic: rod eyes (Read 954 times)

Buzzbait · « **on:** January 16, 2009, 05:32:29 PM »

I have come to the conclusion that I dont care for the single wrap rod eyes on my baitcasting rods. In fact, the last three rods have had that style rod eyes on them. I like the old 2 wrap style, so, would it be cost effective to change those rods over to the old style 2 wrap rod eyes?

JackJ · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2009, 05:36:33 PM »

I am the same way. When I buy a new one I look for the ones with the double wrap on as many eyes as possible.

Joe · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2009, 05:57:42 PM »

Single wrap on baitcasting? Hmmmm... I'll have to look at mine, I thought they they had to be double, when you say single I assume you mean just 1 end of the eye is wrapped down right, instead of top and bottom?

E_Bassfisher · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2009, 07:08:35 PM »

if i were to choose any guide type, it would be the single foot 'fly' style, but the guide itself sits very low to the rod and the foot is much more substantial than the typical 'y' foot style. the main reason, for me, is to preserve the action of the blank; the more epoxy you have, the stiffer the action will become. it also adds less weight to the rod(all double foot= a ton of epoxy!! not to mention the guide itself is heavier). i have two rods with the 'fly' style single foot that i've had for quite some time now; i have not had one bit of trouble with guides breaking off or coming loose.

i think the main issue with the single foot y style is that they sit really high of the blank allowing for greater leverage against them when force is exerted on them. couple that with the fact that the 'y' itself is pretty wimpy, and it is easy to see why they tear up or come loose so easily.

here's an example: http://www.mudhole.com/Shop-Our-Catalog/Silicon-Carbide/TLSG-Fly-Guides

if you notice, a lot of the newer rods are using these now.

Buzzbait · « **Reply #4 on:** January 16, 2009, 07:45:49 PM »

Joe, the last three or four rods I've bought have been All-Star's and Shimano's. All have had the "miniature spinning rod eyes" on them (roughly the size of the first eye from the tip on most spinning rods) . And they are baitcasting rods! They are mounted like the regular double wrapped eyes but are single wrapped simply because there is only one end to the things(like all your spinning rods). They are very fragile for a baitcasters environment.

JackJ · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2009, 08:03:53 PM »

hmm most of my all-stars have doubles close to the handle, but single on up the rod. I think they have to do that so that the end of the rod has more flex. Like E said if you had double close to the ends of the rod it wouldnt flex as well.

E_Bassfisher · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2009, 08:22:08 PM »

hey jack, next time your in academy, check out those green castaways. they have the type guides i'm talking about. they are tough as nails!!

Buzzbait · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2009, 09:08:22 PM »

LOL, after closer examination, most ALL of-my-rods have those wimpy miniature spinnyrod eyes on them.

. And the two newest Shamoo rods have doubles about half way and the rest are those new things that E linked to and not the whimpy ones. again, lol, My all-time favorite $19.00 wallywhurl (Platnium) worm rod from yesteryear has those wimpy eyes from one end to the other(one is missing

) I've had that thing for years and love it. Actually, it's purt'near an antique

So, the ones I like best overall, NOW

, are the Shamoo rods(I've been fighting rod damage for sometime now guys. I just didn't realize how long it had been and never really looked at the things that close.). In other words they(Shimano's) are constucted like the rods E has mentioned above, or is it below...oh well.

They wyay I see it, some of the more sensitive older rods that have "boat eyes" on them throughout, are smaller in diameter at the tip, a blend of materials or a glass rod(by comparison of what's in the corner over there

) .

All my Berkley's have those wimpy kind on them too, lol.

Man! The monkey is going to get me now!

Just call me Mr. Magoo.

Joe · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2009, 07:27:58 AM »

Interesting just looked at my IMX Loomis' and the top 5 are single and the bottom 4 are double, obviously the top is the top. never noticed that before, but never had a problem either

Just went and checked my BCR's Gloomis' and they are all double to the tip. (recoil guides)

Buzzbait · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2009, 06:07:08 PM »

Since looking at the mudhole link, reading here, speaking with E and looking a few things up, I've learned a little more about the styles of rod eyes. (imo as well) The fly type is indeed the way to go since taking a closer look at this style of guide eyes, so look at the rods when your shopping to make sure they have that style for better durability if nothing else. They are much much tougher than the "Y" type guides. Thanks E, for bringing those things out about the rod eyes!

oh yeah Joe, The tip of the rod is called "Tip-Top" nowdays.

also...BCR?, ...Is that Backyard Custom Rods?

If I may ask, what made you consider the recoil guides for that custom rod.

Waterwings · « **Reply #10 on:** January 17, 2009, 06:11:16 PM »

I have a hopefully not to dumb question about the eyes. Are most of them epoxied onto the rod and then wrapped and epoxied again, or just placed on the rod blank (no epoxy), wrapped, and some epoxy applied over the wrap?

The Carrot Stix have guides made by PacBay on them, so I went to the PacBay site to compare to what is on the Carrot I have. Looking at the site and the rod I have, I believe it is this type/model, but not exactly sure:

Buzzbait · « **Reply #11 on:** January 17, 2009, 08:03:00 PM »

WW, Check this out :

http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building-101#

Scroll down near the bottom to "finishing Techniques" and check out artie's 4 videos and that will give you an idea of how it's done. MOF, I just got done watching them myself, as well as few of the other guys videos.

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E_Bassfisher · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2009, 08:06:39 PM »

Quote from: Waterwings on January 17, 2009, 06:11:16 PM

I have a hopefully not to dumb question about the eyes. Are most of them epoxied onto the rod and then wrapped and epoxied again, or just placed on the rod blank (no epoxy), wrapped, and some epoxy applied over the wrap?

first, the guides are placed properly and held in place by a thin strip of masking tape. then, they are wrapped(thread) once or twice. then epoxy is applied. typically there is only one coat of epoxy applied. the reason you cant just glue them on is because they must be positioned properly on two axes. wrapping with the thread before epoxy is applied allows for minor radial adjustment. plus, the rod MUST be continually turned for epoxy finish to both adhere properly and to finish without sags or air.....hope that helps a little

Waterwings · « **Reply #13 on:** January 17, 2009, 08:18:10 PM »

That answers my question. Thanks for the info!

Joe · « **Reply #14 on:** January 17, 2009, 08:59:52 PM »

Nope not custom at all buzzbait, Gloomis BCR 854 and 855. the BCR series is for bait casting rods. They come with the recoil guides, I like em, stepped on it a few times they don't break, durable and lightweight.

E_Bassfisher · « **Reply #15 on:** January 17, 2009, 09:13:47 PM »

Quote from: Buzzbait on January 17, 2009, 08:03:00 PM

WW, Check this out :

http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building-101#

Scroll down near the bottom to "finishing Techniques" and check out artie's 4 videos and that will give you an idea of how it's done. MOF, I just got done watching them myself, as well as few of the other guys videos.

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that is a great site! they are very helpful.

E_Bassfisher · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2009, 09:16:15 PM »

those recoil guides aren't a bad idea. you still have more epoxy, but the guide itself is very light....of course they are kind of pricey

Buzzbait · « **Reply #17 on:** January 18, 2009, 12:28:13 AM »

, Joe!

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