Topic: Casting rod + reel for pike fishing (Read 823 times)

witebrov · « **on:** February 01, 2009, 03:01:27 PM »

Hi,

Im european and really amazed by casting fishing. Since US is a capital of casting Ive decided to ask the best.
Im a fairly experienced spinning user wanting to switch to casting. I mostly go after pikes since my home waters are quite rich in that particular fish. Tbh I love pikes. Im looking for advice on buying my first casting tackle.

I mostly fish on lakes, sometimes rivers.

fish I want to catch with it:
- pikes up to 11 lbs
- perches
- pike-perches (sanders)

baits I want to be using:
- mostly crankbaits around 0,5 and 1,75 oz
- some jerkbaits

requirements for the rod (feel free to critisice): up to 150$
- lenght: aroung 6"8
- action: medium fast
- casting weight: around 0,5-1,5 oz

requirements for a low profile reel (no idea really) up to 150$
- capacity: around 580 ft of 0.01 inch line
- easy for casting (if thats possible)

Please suggest particular gear and also if you could explain why I would be grateful.

Thank you.

baseballfatty · « **Reply #1 on:** February 01, 2009, 03:28:51 PM »

I would go with a 6:3 to 1 gear ratio. The real is fast enough to fish a fast moving bait and if you are fishing a crankbait you can always slow the bait down. It's easier to slow the reel down rather than having to burn a 5:3 to 1. Burning a spinner bait with a 5:3 to 1 will have you drained by the end of the day.

witebrov · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2009, 02:21:06 AM »

Thank you for your advice,

Do you have any particular reel in mind?
Do you have any suggestions as for the rod?

Buzzbait · « **Reply #3 on:** February 02, 2009, 07:24:33 AM »

check these out:

http://www.fenwickfishing.com/prod.php?k=76590&sk=76589&u=FGT

http://www.abugarcia.com/prod.php?k=132609&u=REVO%20SX_STX

hth,

bb

witebrov · « **Reply #4 on:** February 02, 2009, 08:34:00 AM »

Quote from: Buzzbait on February 02, 2009, 07:24:33 AM

http://www.fenwickfishing.com/prod.php?k=76590&sk=76589&u=FGT

will I be able to easily cast 1,5-1,7 oz baits with it?

Quote from: Buzzbait on February 02, 2009, 07:24:33 AM

http://www.abugarcia.com/prod.php?k=132609&u=REVO%20SX_STX

Sorry if u find this a noob question but what exactly in terms of ratio 6:4:1 or 6:3:1 means? Otherwords what do those numbers mean?

GMAN · « **Reply #5 on:** February 02, 2009, 09:01:35 AM »

Quote from: witebrov on February 02, 2009, 08:34:00 AM

will I be able to easily cast 1,5-1,7 oz baits with it?

Sorry if u find this a noob question but what exactly in terms of ratio 6:4:1 or 6:3:1 means? Otherwords what do those numbers mean?

Gotta ask is that 1,5-1,7 ounces or grams?

The gear ratio is how many times the spool turns in 1 crank of the handle.

E_Bassfisher · « **Reply #6 on:** February 02, 2009, 09:03:40 AM »

6.3:1 means that the spool spins 6.3 times per 1 full turn of the reel handle. for the price of reel you are looking for, i would go with this for the reel: http://cgi.ebay.com/Daiwa-Advantage-153HSTA-Baitcasting-Reel-153-HSTA-New_W0QQitemZ300274833903QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

JackJ · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2009, 09:04:46 AM »

Basically the lower the gear ratio the slower the reel will be on retrieve but will give you better cranking power.

JackJ · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2009, 09:14:23 AM »

For pike fishing with big lures I was thinking more of a round style reel with a lower gear ratio 5.3:1 or so for the extra cranking power for the big spoons and lures would be better.

Something like the Abu Garcia Ambassadeur C3 Series

witebrov · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2009, 09:33:00 AM »

reel:
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So I understand its between 5:1 and 6:1 ratio. As for the shape (round or low) I know that round is more powerful but isnt it gonna be to big for smaller baits? Will I be able to cast baits between 1/3 and 3/4 ounce? Unfortunatly I cant affort to buy different setups for different fish/baits atm, so I need to make this one as universal as possible for pikes and perches.

rod:
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GMAN asked if I talked grams or ounces. I meant ounces and that would be the maximum bait weight I would be using on that rod. How much should I be sticking to the casting weight of a rod specified by the producer? By how much can I exceed it?

JackJ · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2009, 09:43:00 AM »

My old partner didn't use anything but the Abu's and that was for bass, so yes they would be good for both a lighter bait and heavier bait. There is a plethora of reels out there that will suit what you want.

If your going to throw a near 2 oz. lure, I would think the rod would be the most detrimental part of the equation, maybe a good swim bait rod would work.

E_Bassfisher · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2009, 10:10:51 AM »

if yer gonna throw a 2 oz lure, you'll want a beefy reel; it'll need to be one that has the gearing to handle such a big lure.

Just4fun · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2009, 10:17:13 AM »

I occasionally fish for pike with baitcasting equipment and IMO,...you are really talking about what is normally used for small swimbaits. I would suggest one of these two rods:

Okuma 7'6" Medium Heavy

Shimano Crucial 7'11" Medium Heavy

I personally use that Crucial and it will be a better choice if you plan to fish lighter baits for those other species in addition to the pike. The Okuma is a little "more rod" and will be able to handle bigger baits (over 2 ounces) better, but the sacrifice will be that it won't cast lighter baits as well or as comfortably.

As for a baitcaster,..you really don't need to go to a large round reel for what you plan to do. I normally use a low profile 200-size reel (normal bass fishing baitcaster) which is fairly light and comfortable for any bait in the 3/8 - 2 ounce range. They will have plenty enough line capacity and power for your largest pike. I am a Shimano advocate,..because I feel that they are the best built and longest lasting reels in the world,..but there are a lot of folks that like Daiwas and Abu Revo-series reels as well.
Right now you can find some pretty nice discounts on some of the Shimano's because they are close-out models. Do not worry about it if they are being discontinued,..they are still very fine reels that Shimano will continue to stand behind ( and have replacement parts available if/when needed) for the next hundred years!

Shimano Citica is their low-end "quality" baitcaster. Curado (any model) has been an industry standard-of-excellence for a long time and their Chronarch is a high end reel,..however I have seen them discounted some places to well below $200 right now. Any of them (200-size Curado & Citica or 100-size Chronarch) will be fine for your purposes. Shop around and get the best that you can afford is my advice!

JackJ · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2009, 10:45:16 AM »

Basically you are going to get a bunch of different answers. Take all into consideration, but ultimately get what feels best for you.

witebrov · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2009, 02:44:48 AM »

Thnx very much for your help, I think I have an idea on what I want to buy. However if someone feels like sharing some recomendations please do, Ill keep watching this thread. Ill be going on a week pike-trip to sweden in may, Ill post pictures of what I caught on my new rod

.

Just4fun · « **Reply #15 on:** February 03, 2009, 07:19:47 AM »

Just checked on Ebay and there are plenty of Curado E-series in your price range...
(E is the newest version,...D is about 1-2 years old and B is the old version).

E5 = 5:1 gear ratio & is the slowest
E7 = 7:1 gear ratio & is a high speed crank.

Also since you are new to bait casting,..you will have to decide between a right-handed (crank with your right hand..) or a left-handed (crank with your left hand) model. Most folks that start out with spinning gear, cranking with their left hand prefer to use a lefty-baitcaster as well!
The convention used to differentiate them in the model numbers is either a "1" as the final digit,..or an "L" at the end of their name (depending on the manufacturer).

Curado 200 = right hand
Curado 201 = left hand

Abu Revo SX = right hand
Abu Revo SX-L = left hand

If you want some feedback on a particular rod or reel before you actually buy it just ask,..someone will usually have some experience with it!

witebrov · « **Reply #16 on:** February 10, 2009, 05:36:41 PM »

Hey!

One more thing that's bothering me alot before buyin my tackle. Ive seen alotta movies on how to fish with baitcastin gear, how to cast etc. And suprisingly on almost all of them peeps would reel with their right hand which in spinning is a normal thing for lefthanded people. What's the statistics? Are You left or right-handed? What hand are you usin to reel and which one are you castin with?

With my spinning:
Im left-handed
I reel with right
cast with left

JackJ · « **Reply #17 on:** February 10, 2009, 05:38:10 PM »

Both spinning and casting I cast with my right and reel with my right. I am right handed.

Most baitcasting reels come in both left and right hand versions.

E_Bassfisher · « **Reply #18 on:** February 10, 2009, 05:55:21 PM »

all but one of my casting reels are right handle. my flipping reel is a lefty

witebrov · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2009, 06:14:24 PM »

Quote from: JackJ on February 10, 2009, 05:38:10 PM

Both spinning and casting I cast with my right and reel with my right. I am right handed.

Most baitcasting reels come in both left and right hand versions.

yes but its kinda confusing since in spining reels left hand version is the one where you reel with your right hand and hold the rod with your left. In baitcasting tackle it seems to be difeerent since people seem to be casting the same hand they're reeling and most cases they're using their better hand to do it, so theyre holding the rod with their worse hand

long story short:
statisticly, If Im lefthanded, What hand should I be doing what?

JackJ · « **Reply #20 on:** February 10, 2009, 06:44:06 PM »

Ideally you would want to cast with your right and reel with your left, so you wouldn't have to change hands with the rod.

Waterwings · « **Reply #21 on:** February 10, 2009, 08:14:49 PM »

I'm right handed, use nothing but spinning reels, cast with both hands, and reel with the right, and manually close the bail with my right hand.

F-Ren · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2009, 08:47:46 PM »

I'm Right handed and throw right handed, but I sometimes throw left handed, but always reel right handed. I suggest you go to Bass Pro shop or you tackle store and see which hane you can reel the best with. I have a Revo sx reel (lefthanded I'm trying to sell right now, because I couldn't get use to reeling lefthanded. Does this make sense $:-\$

witebrov · « **Reply #23 on:** February 11, 2009, 01:39:53 AM »

Ok so In that case even though Im a lefty Ill be reeling with my right hand, just like I do on my spinning reel, decision made.

Say I'm buying 1/4 - 1 oz casting weight rod and Curado CU201E7 reel.

Will I be able to fish comfortably with lures around 1,5 oz on it?

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